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When the going gets tough… the tough keep progressing.

First I would like to say I am sorry for the extremely late post this week. I was out-of-town and had a huge weekend. I am just now am catching up to things I need to do on a weekly basis. This past weekend I got engaged to my girlfriend of 3 and a half years and it was very exciting. If you have never proposed it is a very nerve-wracking experience, even if you know she will say yes. I don’t think I have ever been so nervous in my life, especially after one of my best friends spent the entire 6 hour car ride on our way to visit showing me “Funny” Youtube videos of people getting turned down when they propose on his iPhone (Just a fair warning, this video makes you feel  really embarrassed, even if some people think it is staged. My favorite part after watching for a  third time was the old man slowly turning around in his wheel chair to watch, only to see this cupcake- loving guy get owned.) In the end, my girlfriend (now fiancée) said yes, and we got a restaurant-wide round of applause (probably for me since no one should clap for a woman who agreed to marry me) -and it was all very good.

How is this relevant to WOW??? It really isn’t but I’m going to try to stretch it here to see if it works out. If you watch that video you will see and hear a collection of people have various reactions to the epic fail they all were just a part of. The guy with the thinned out stash got these types of responses…

“It will work out man” (I don’t know how that is logical)

“AWWWWWWWW” (Ya thanks, it really made me feel better)


“What a bitch she should have said yes” (but she didn’t)

“What just happened?” (How did you miss that?)

Its the guy’s own fault. Who would propose in a food court?” (Coming from the guy/girl who is probably single, or is under false assumption that they are in a good relationship)

All of these different reactions to failure draws a lot of similarities when your look at progression raiding. Progression raiding is about having a thick skin and being able to react to failure accordingly. Then taking that failure, learning from it, and progressing forward until you reach the ultimate goal. Guilds that cannot handle the pressure and failure that comes with progression fall apart quickly. I have seen it a bunch of times on many levels. From pug heroics, to a guild that had been raiding for months, all it takes is one un-achievable task to tear apart a group for good.

Much like the crowd in the food court, every person is going to react differently to failure. Understanding how some people look at progression and react to it can be the difference between you actually progressing or entering into a “g-chat drama cat fight” that eventually ends in an officer “/gkick”-ing you. I have segmented the “types” of progression raiders below as best that I can, and I hope it gives you a better understanding where people are coming from when you inevitably come across these people. Just know that these types of personalities are not always present, and only show their ugly head when things really get tough. (That was a huge stretch I know, but I am still a little Gaga about my Fiancée, which by the way took me forever to learn how to spell).

The Mute – I find that a lot of people fall into this category when it comes to raiding, especially in a 25 man setting. One of the biggest reasons is because we are all trained to stay “mute” unless told otherwise. A raid doesn’t need “Frick & Frack” chatting it up over vent about their weekend plans… “CLEAR VENT”. The thing about “The Mute” is that they have been trained too well and sometimes it can be detrimental to themselves or even the raid. A mute will generally stay quiet in all situations, unless they are directly asked a question. When someone messes up, and the Raid Leader says “Who’s fault was that?”, a “Mute” will sit there in silence hoping that people will simply forget and move on. The Mute is also hesitant to speak in vent when they need someone to cover one of their responsibilities (like when someone on interrupts dies and he/she doesn’t say a word, than the raid wipes because they are lifeless while the boss casts “spell of death”). What some people don’t understand is that speaking up is not going to resort in an immediate /gkick (unless it is a reoccurring theme). Just know that a good raid leader will eventually find out what happened. Do yourself a favor and speak up. The MAJORITY of the time you will be corrected and the raid will move on. If you are a raid leader, I would suggest that you let your raid know that you’re not going to go emo every time someone makes a mistake, and you would appreciate it if people spoke up so that you don’t need to spend 5 minutes playing Sherlock Holmes.

The Smart Ass – Pretty simple here, the guy who is always making jokes, and yet the only time you notice them is when they are made at the most inappropriate time.  If you are the “Smart Ass” of your raid, its okay, but understand there is a place and a time. When your raid leader just laid into the raid for sucking, this is not the appropriate time break the ice by misdirecting the boss to him and booking it out of the room. The Smart Ass is arguably the most aggravating of all the progression raiders, but understands that they probably can’t help it. If it becomes detrimental to your raid, then by all means remove him/her from your group. Just let the class clown know that there is a place and time and now is not one of them.

The Know-It-All – “The Know-It-All” is the only progression raider that rivals the aggravation level of the Smart Ass. If by the end of this post you look and say to yourself “I do not fall into any of these categories” then this is probably you. The “The Know-It-All” never makes a mistake, never is wrong, and always knows about that raid mechanic that was never mentioned, he just didn’t feel the need to let anyone know. This person also knows the Best spec and gear to use for their class, and could easily down every boss with no issue if he/she was capable of playing 10/25 characters at once. “The Know-It-All” always finds an excuse or reason for their failure, and is less than willing to listen to any advice. “The Know-It-All” will treat most people like they are dumber (haha) then they are, and is under the assumption that the raid would never survive without them. This is not uncommon and it is OK to be a “know it all” just understand that people are not as dumb as you think. Know that you do make mistakes like everyone else, and it’s OK. The chance that you are the best, even top 100, of your class in this game is slim. If you are a raider, understand that “The Know-It-All” really doesn’t mean any harm, they just are trying to be the best, which is a good thing. If you are the raid leader, then make “The Know-It-All” understand their place and that they are not the leader of the raid, you are.

Mr. Rodgers – Mr. Rodgers is the guy in your raid that is too helpful, to the point that it becomes annoying or negative for progression. Mr. Rodgers is the guy offering a solution to every mistake, even the simplest one. Believe me, when your raid wipes you do not need to offer your solution every time. There is a reason your raid has gotten to where it is now, and your Raid Leader is a big part of that. Continue to trust that he/she is capable of leading a raid. Mr. Rodgers has the best of intentions when offering help, however sometimes it can be viewed as doubt. This is where I would throw myself when it comes to progression raiding. I frequently find myself sticking my nose and opinion in places where it doesn’t belong (And hey, look, I have a blog too). I have to sometimes take a step back and let the leaders of the raid work it out and in the end it does. If you are a raid leader and are bothered by Mr. Rodgers, then just know they mean well and are trying to help. Every once in a while let that person know that you got it, but thanks anyways.

The Emo – The Emo is the one who freaks out when is called out or on wipes. The Emo probably has broken a keyboard or two in his time, and if he hasn’t then it’s bound to happen soon. Raid leaders tend to be mistaken for Emo simply because their role in the raid requires them to get a little angry, but most are not. The Emo is the guy who has quit WOW about 4 times but always comes back for more. Dealing with an Emo is actually very simple. Don’t feed into the rage by disagreeing with him or yelling back. Let him finish and move on. In private let them know that when they want to enrage, do it with the microphone off and there will be no issues. If you are the Emo then try to take it into perspective. The BEST guilds in the game wipe on progression, no one shots everything. Everyone in your raid has the same intentions that you do (killing bosses and getting loot) so don’t take it personally when someone makes a mistake. When you are corrected then take it for what it is, advice, and do it right the next time.

The Casual – The Casual is the guy in the raid that is never phased by anything. Normally the casual will be half way too drunk or finishing off some drugs before the first boss is pulled. They still perform as well as everyone else, (in some cases), but they are the hardest raiders to motivate. To them, it truly is just a game and if something better came up they wouldn’t be logged in to raid. The casual is the hardest raider to notice simply because he/she is easily mistaken for a “mute”. If you are a Casual, then just remember to keep enough wits about you so that you can perform at your required level of play. The best way to motivate a Casual, especially one under the influence, is to remind them that if the fight lasts longer and progresses then that is more time that they get to look at flashy/colorful game animations and less time listening to you talk.

Rare Progression Raiders worth Noting:

The Tardy- They are under the misconception that their time is more valuable than the other 9/24 people in the raid. The Tardy is always late or distracted mid-raid with other things. Will perform during a boss fight but could cost you an extra pull simply because you had to wait for them. If you are the Tardy, then know that people take time out of their week, just like you, to raid.  People have jobs/kids/spouses/hobbies and put time aside every week to raid. All because you are unemployed/childless/single/or play WOW 24/7 does not give you the right to be late all the time. Raid Leaders know what to do with the tardy; don’t invite them unless they are on-time.

The New Guy – Brand new to your group and is very scared and anxious when raiding. Remember that the new guy doesn’t know how you pull things, how you do loot, or anything else you, as a raid, do weekly. All it takes is a couple of minutes to explain the rules set up by the raid and the New Guy will follow them like a military man out of fear of being replaced. If you are the New Guy, just know that we have all been there before, and are excited to see what you can do. Most of us are not looking for a reason to dislike you.

The DC – Without fail there is always one person who will always DC. The worst part about it is that there is nothing that the DC or the raid leader can do, especially if it is a good player. If you have to bring a DC or want to bring one that is good with spurts of bad luck, then delegate them to responsibilities that will not wipe your raid if he/she does DC mid fight.

The Miss-Click – The guy who sends his pet at the boss on accident when setting up the fight, the guy who stabs Chimaeron in the back when he is sleeping, or the guy who blows hero/lust when they actually mean to cast lava burst. It happens, don’t worry. Just don’t have the boss targeted pre-fight or move that hot key if you are a frequent offender of this.

In the end we all want the same thing, to progress through bosses. Understand that if you have not gone through serious progression for an extended period of time, then the chances are that you have not run across what I have described above. Failure brings out the worst in people when it comes to their personality. Not everyone is like you (much like life) and people do not react to things the same way you do. Try to understand where people are coming from and it will lead to a much less stressful raiding experience, and possibly lead to some success.

Thanks again for reading this week I hope you enjoyed. If you disagree/agree then please let me know in the comments below or through my e-mail address at DKTWSS@gmail.com. If you have any suggestions or feedback, or would like to be a part of the OverRaidedBlog then please let me know. Also if you would like to subscribe to the blog then look for a box at the home page to sign up. It is free to sign up and the only e-mails you will ever receive from me is a notification that there has been a new post. Thanks again and see you all next week.


  1. Tote
    February 28, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    While I have never done progression raiding I must say that I believe that there are still players out there who fall into a different class… I have to believe that there are players out there who have the best characteristics of the multiple types above. Probably generally Raid Leaders… or officers

  2. Areth
    March 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    @ Tote: I think this post was to point out baddies in raids. I’m sure TWSS isn’t so naive to believe that EVERY raider falls into one of these categories, or if they don’t then they behave this way after wipes.

    @ TWSS: “This person also knows the Best spec and gear to use for their class”. I think there’s a typo in this sentence. The know-it-alls I’ve had the pleasure of running with typically know the best spec and gear for EVERY class, and don’t hesitate to tell you how to fix your toon.

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